Friday, November 11, 2016

Kardashev Scale comparisons in some fiction

Kardashev Scale
Hey guys,

Not sure if you know what the Kardashev scale is so I will briefly tell you what it is then state my opinions...

The Kardashev scale outlines advanced civilizations from type 1, 2, 3 and some physicists even added a 4 and 5 and even a 6th.. The types are only based on energy they're able to utilize.

A type 1 civilization is one that can harness the energy of their entire planet. They can control their weather, control volcano's, control earthquakes, influence flora and fauna, basically be able to control the whole planet.

A type 2 civilization is one that can harness the energy of their entire star (sun). A type 2 is practically immortal being able to survive everything known to science. They can move their planet, they can obliterate an asteroid before it hits Earth, they have dyson spheres, they are basically an interstellar civilization. (think star trek...)

A type 3 is a Galactic Civilization. They can harness the energy of their entire Galaxy. You can do practically anything, merge star systems, create stars, move planets, absorb supernovae, etc... (Think Star Wars except without the wars and slavery and all that....)

A type 4 is a Universal Civilization. As you probably can't even imagine they can control their whole universe... (more powerful than the Ancients, but less than the Q) It would also be capable of projects of gargantuan proportions, such as manipulating space-time and tinkering with entropy, thus reaching immortality on a grand scale. An essentially indestructible and highly utopian civilization.

A type 5 is a multi-verse Civilization. They are a type 4 on steroids... being able to harness energy from multiple universes, (although a civilization this advanced to me, would probably use zero point energy probably like project Arcturus the ancients tried to do yet failed.) I don't even know what you could have that would require so much energy, even the Death Star wouldn't require .0001% of the energy of the multi-verse's.

A type 6 well... The type VI exists outside of time and space, and is capable of creating universes and multiverses, and destroying them just as easily. They are masters of the omniverse. It’s similar in concept to a deity, (way more powerful than the Q, I'd imagine...) I don't even know what you could do for fun here... I think it'd get boring pretty quick...
          A type 7 are macroversal plus masters. They have infinite control etc.. upon all beyond        infinite macroverses, omegaverses, and all verses and dimensions possibly. Infinite omni gods.

          A type 10 have infinite mastery of infinite consciousness itself and thus everything as well. Infinite number of infinite minds in unison

           And type infinity, is just too great!

           NOTE: There are endless levels of endless hierarchies of endless hierarchies, etc.. of levels beyond the type infinities. In fact Type Omephtualities <<<< or to say in an easy manner, type everything beyond, everything beyond, etc... infinite infinities civilizations are just the tip of the iceberg! Minds blown here.

More info on these can be found here: http://www.veronicasicoe.com/blog/20...-scale-0-to-6/ or you could just google search Kardashev scale.


So first question, do you think we will ever even reach a type 1? If so do you think we'll reach a type 2? Once we reach that we're practically invulnerable...

Now to Stargate how would you rate the following using the Kardashev scale...

Ancients- I would rate them as a type 3, I think its safe to say since they had Dakara and spread life throughout the Galaxy. Although they couldn't make most of their advanced technology even work, like the project Arcturus and they couldn't even kill the Wraith, a type 3 should've been able too... I am in between a type 2 and 3 for them... Regardless of the fact that they "ascended"

Asgard- I would rate them as a type 2, I would say 3 but they didn't really have a galactic civilization, they may have been able to go to other galaxies but that doesn't mean you control your galaxy.

Gadmeer- They were the extinct race from the episode scorched earth, they were definitely a type 1, maybe a type 2 when they were living but they were a type 1.

Genii- Easy type 0, no where in the Pegasus Galaxy can reach anywhere near a type 1.

Goa'uld- I would rate them as a... type 1. They didn't really control any star systems or even understand physics on that level. They stole everything and adapted it to their needs, they were advanced yes, but not as much as the Tollans or the Asgard...

Furlings- I would rate them as a type 2 based on what we know. We know that they were one of the four great races with the Asgard, Nox and the Ancients. They seem advanced enough although they could've been only a type 1... A lot is unknown about them.

Nox- I would rate them as a type 2, we don't really know the scale of the Nox but they were definitely a type 1, I am just giving them the benefit of the doubt here...

Ori- I would rate them as a type 3, they did control their original galaxy where they were before they found out about us through Vala and Daniel. They were definitely more powerful than the ancients were in their galaxy.

Serrakin- Gotta love them, the space race people. They are easily a type 1 on their way to type 2. They could be a type 2, but I didn't see any indication that they were already there.

Spirits- From the native american's planet, I forget the main native american males name. I would consider them a type 1, they were definitely advanced enough to be that.

Tollans- I would rate them as a type 1, considering they couldn't even save their original planet from the volcano and from getting knocked out of its orbit. A type 1 could prevent a volcano but as we know from Enigma they left their planet before the volcano and when the SGC first checked on the planet before sending in SG-1, Carter said none of that was even happening, so I feel safe rating them as a type 1.

Wraith- Type 3 would sound right since they did control their galaxy, but they didn't have the energy of their galaxy. They ruled by fear and by killing off worlds before they could even have a chance to defend themselves, some were exceptions like Ronon's planet but they still weren't on our scale here on Earth and we're only a type 0.7....

How would you rate them or do you agree with me on them? Feel free to add races too, I think I covered most though, others I didn't include I would rate as a type 0 like us

Outside of Stargate I'll include some others...

Star Trek-

Earth- I would say is a type 1, we didn't have dyson spheres yet, but we could be classified as a type 2. For Star Trek Enterprise I would definitely say a type 1, but I hadn't watched the others enough to say for sure a type 2 status... Based on the interstellar travel its easy to say type 2, but that doesn't necessarily cut it...

Klingons- On their way to a type 2 same with the Romulans... Just because your space faring doesn't make you a type 2 automatically... It is based on energy.

Q- are an easy type 5 or even 6, from what they say and from what Quinn said, it sounds like type 5 and type 4 respectively. Quinn, the Q that committed suicide said they weren't as omnipotent as they wanted us to think, that makes them sound like a type 4 to me...

Andorian/Vulcan- Seem to be on par. I would say type 2 based on technology and they are both above us, did they have dyson spheres? I don't know but you don't need dyson spheres to be a type 2, you just need to harness the energy of your star, so there are definitely different ways to harness the energy other than making dyson spheres...

Xindi- They may have been a type 2 but they were mostly a coalition rather than a complete empire. There were multiple races involved in the Xindi although the Aquatics were definitely more advanced than the rest of the Xindi...


Halo-

Earth- I would say we're an early type 2, possibly.

Covenant- I would say are a type 2 as well. I don't think they were really at Type 3 status. I would think a type 3 would be easily able to defeat a type 2, but of course depending on that civilization, a type 2 can defeat a type 3, theoretically...

Forerunners- I would say they're easily a type 3, they had over what 3 million planets in their control before being eliminated... They were an easy galactic civilization with mega-structures and all that good stuff, easily a type 3 on their way to being a type 4, although using their scale vs the Kardashev they may have been a type 4...

Precursors- I would say a type 3 or 4, I don't know much about them and I don't we know much about them period, so I would say type 3 that is me giving them the benefit of the doubt.


Star Wars-

The Empire/Republic- they're easily a type 3 civilization. They were galactic so as a whole I would rate them as a type 3.

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